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  • Redbaiter 12:22 on January 7, 2012 Permalink  

    To Zen Tiger, and On Engaging With Rabid Secular Progressives 

    Grateful for your brave and persistent attempts to get me to understand Zen. :)

    I do understand actually, and I realise its a judgement call that we all have to make.

    MY POV on such commenters is that they bring nothing to the debate. Nothing new. Nothing fresh. Nothing challenging. Nothing intelligent. They’re just ignorant thugs whose shared characteristic is a deep immersion in moral relativism and an extremely simplistic and facile understanding of the historical and cultural underpinnings of our society. They have no real in depth understanding of what makes western civilization better than most.

    Or should I say what made it better than most, for under the influence of the Progressives, we’re fast losing that advantage. Savagery and barbarism are on the rise in the west everywhere you look. (More …)

     
    • KG 12:47 on January 7, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      Beautifully put.
      “They’re nothing. They have nothing to offer. They have betrayed us to the left. They are a negative we just have to exclude from our focus. Time wasters, and we have so very little time to waste. Far more productive to engage with those who have the intelligence to be persuaded.”

      Yes indeed!

    • Gecko 12:48 on January 7, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      Great post, well said RB :)

    • Redbaiter 12:53 on January 7, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      Thank’s Gecko and KG. Appreciate your support.

      I understand Zen’s very civil attempts to explain why he feels he has to deal with these thugs, but for myself, I just do not have the patience for such infantile trash anymore.

    • KG 13:11 on January 7, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      Me neither, and I admire Zen’s patience and courtesy in explaining his position.

    • Pascal 13:28 on January 7, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      Were “Progressives” not such bigots towards conservative thought, were they to relinquish the words “progress” and “liberal” to their rightful owners, were they honest as to their objectives — to establish their authoritarian rule, were their media not deliberately comprised of the most dishonest bunch of smug morons this side of Hell, then maybe there might be something worthwhile to discuss with them. Let me thank you and KG for helping accept this reality. At some point patience runs out, so when Zen Tiger’s runs out, it is nice that you have tried to get him to understand that the problem isn’t with him.

    • Redbaiter 13:44 on January 7, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      Don’t forget the so called “educators” Pascal, for it is they who are largely responsible for the moral relativism and the ignorance of history.

    • Kris K 13:58 on January 7, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      When you boil it all down, it’s a little bit like a ‘meaningful’ discussion between Chamberlain and Hitler – one naively likes to think the best of everyone [the whole “we’re all basically good” pov], the other is an evil tyrant who, given the opportunity, would quite happily send the other to the gas chamber.

      The key is working out whether you’re dealing with a ‘Hitler’ or someone who ACTUALLY DOES want to have a meaningful discussion and exchange of ideas.

      The ONLY way you deal with a ‘Hitler’ is to set a ‘ Churchill’ on them!!!

      Life’s too short to deal with deliberately evil and condescending pondscum.

      PS And in a biblical context – Christ had absolutely no time for the arrogant and evil Pharisees of His day. There’s a lesson there for those who claim to follow Christ.

    • ZenTiger 14:13 on January 7, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      Thanks all for your insightful comments, except Kris, who is a bit like Hitler and is not interested in exchanging ideas, and life is too short to keep bringing up his rabid bias towards Catholics, ending his last comment with the passive-aggressive barb of “those who claim to follow Christ.”

      He’s not a nice person. Any chance you want to ban him Redbaiter? I really think it would lift your blog, and it would show every-one here I’m starting to listen to what you are all saying.

    • Kris K 15:00 on January 7, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      For Zen:

      “In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act” – George Orwell
      [From Red’s sidebar]

      Gee, what a surprise – Zen finds my comments a bit too close to the bone so what does he suggest? Ban me.

      Lord save me from the all these ‘nice’ people.

    • George 15:03 on January 7, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      The book of Proverbs has a lot to say about fools. Don’t bother arguing with them. Most of them are snippy little maggots that somehow avoided being backhanded at school. Uncorrected, they’ve continued their obnoxious ways into an extended adolescent adulthood.

      The future is bleak for them, the world already has an oversupply of oafs and boors.

    • ZenTiger 15:11 on January 7, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      Kris, I wasn’t being nice. I was being ironic. And of course, it was in response to you not being so nice either.

    • Kris K 15:19 on January 7, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      Didn’t see the scare quotes, huh?

    • ZenTiger 15:40 on January 7, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      Red, out of deference to your blog I will henceforth ignore the troll.

    • Kris K 16:04 on January 7, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      That’s what I love about [some] Catholics, they’re such martyrs – except when they’re burning others at the stake of course …

      Attempts to have me banned, now labels me a troll – will I ever re-discover my self esteem … hic, hic.

    • Kris K 11:22 on January 12, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      Once again, as is usual, I can only conclude that people like Zen [and generally papists in particular] really do regularly miss the point. No doubt he thought my reference to Hitler above was somehow referring to him [which it wasn’t] – I actually thought the whole contrast between Chamberlain and Hitler revealed both the naivety and evil respectively of these sort of people. And highlighted that we can’t actually [and shouldn’t waste our time] engage with evil in any meaningful sense in a debate type forum. To do so is indeed naive.

      Another example would be Israel attempting to ‘negotiate’ with the satanic death-cult of Islam in the hope of coming to some form of compromise – when all Islam wants [and requires] is Israel and ever last Jew be wiped from the face of the earth.

      My main point was, and is, that one just can’t negotiate with evil. And entertaining such commenters on one’s blog is actually counter-productive.

      That Zen will entertain these evil commenters, and won’t ban them, but will request I be banned from someone else’s blog is kind of ironic. And perhaps reveals that he views those who challenge [the cult of] Roman Catholicism as more ‘evil’ for pointing out the truth, than those who are genuinely evil and would quite likely march us all into the gas chambers given the opportunity.

      And lets not forget that, interestingly, many of the hierarchy in the Nazi war machine were or course of the Catholic faith …
      Food for thought – although the irony will no doubt be lost on people like Zen.

    • ZenTiger 13:54 on January 13, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      The Pope, September 2011, in Germany:

      As the Bishop of Rome, it is deeply moving for me to be meeting you here in the ancient Augustinian convent in Erfurt. As we have just heard, this is where Luther studied theology. This is where he celebrated his first Mass. Against his father’s wishes, he did not continue the study of Law, but instead he studied theology and set off on the path towards priesthood in the Order of Saint Augustine. And on this path, he was not simply concerned with this or that. What constantly exercised him was the question of God, the deep passion and driving force of his whole life’s journey. “How do I receive the grace of God?”: this question struck him in the heart and lay at the foundation of all his theological searching and inner struggle. For Luther theology was no mere academic pursuit, but the struggle for oneself, which in turn was a struggle for and with God.

      “How do I receive the grace of God?” The fact that this question was the driving force of his whole life never ceases to make a deep impression on me. For who is actually concerned about this today – even among Christians? What does the question of God mean in our lives? In our preaching? Most people today, even Christians, set out from the presupposition that God is not fundamentally interested in our sins and virtues. He knows that we are all mere flesh. And insofar as people believe in an afterlife and a divine judgement at all, nearly everyone presumes for all practical purposes that God is bound to be magnanimous and that ultimately he mercifully overlooks our small failings. The question no longer troubles us. But are they really so small, our failings?

      Rest here: MEETING WITH THE COUNCIL OF THE EVANGELICAL CHURCH IN GERMANY

  • Redbaiter 07:45 on January 7, 2012 Permalink  

    General Debate Jan 7th 

     
     
     
     
     
     

    Results of US survey on word association (“socialism” and “capitalism”) by race- (More …)

     
    • B2 09:18 on January 7, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      Rule #1 for understanding anything…..’everyone wants to live using Other People’s Money.’

    • Redbaiter 10:11 on January 7, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      I notice contributors Blair and TB12 have suddenly dropped off the list of authors at Clint Heine’s sewer.

      Don’t tell me they actually felt some shame in relation to the disgusting garbage that is written there and decided to quit.

      Who really needs their name associated with lowlife crap like that?

    • Redbaiter 10:20 on January 7, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      Ha ha-

      That idiotic little Stasi commie Clare Curran on Red Alert has inadvertently praised a company headed by Ruth Richardson-

      http://blog.labour.org.nz/2012/01/05/a-nation-of-makers-6/

    • KG 10:36 on January 7, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      Shame“? Leftists?

    • Kris K 12:58 on January 7, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      Re: survey on “socialism” and “capitalism” – while you would expect whites to favour capitalism, and blacks socialism [ties in with your recent post, KG], it’s interesting that Hispanics view BOTH socialism and capitalism negatively.
      You have to wonder what they do actually view as a positive system of government – or maybe they’re primarily anarchists ;) [or just confused]

    • Chuck Bird 13:06 on January 7, 2012 Permalink | Reply

    • The Gantt Guy 13:10 on January 7, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      I’m not sure about Hispanics (having known very few Hispanic people), but I think the Socialism/Capitalism thing is less black/white than it is tribal. People from tribal backgrounds tend to favour a strong, central leader (e.g. a tribal chief) who will take care of them; feed them, clothe them, make all their decisions for them, etc. I suspect the reason it is more prevalent amongst black people is because they have a far higher proportion of tribalism in their heritage, but it seems to me it is equally true of white tribalists as black ones. This is the reason Scottish people vote for Labour party politicians in every UK election from city council right through to Parliament. They like their Clan Leaders to take care of them.

      I’ve been pondering this for a while now, and the more I consider it, the more it makes sense. Can someone please punch gaping holes in this theory for me, because I really don’t want to admit that tribal socialism is in my celtic blood!

    • Redbaiter 13:14 on January 7, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      Heh heh, that story on the woman on welfare being offered a job as a prostitute is funny Chuck. Liberals reaping what they sow.

    • Redbaiter 13:24 on January 7, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      “Can someone please punch gaping holes in this theory for me?”

      I’m thinking about it. Can’t come up with anything. Can’t wait to try the argument out on my Scottish socialist friend.

    • kowtow 15:44 on January 7, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      The brothel story reminds me of the attempt a few years ago,presumably by the Green SD coalition in Germany to force businesses to take on youthful apprentices.
      Did this apply to brothels? Oops,very well we’ll drop that one.

      .

    • Chuck Bird 16:02 on January 7, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      Editorial: Time to crack down on beach’s naked poseurs
      5:29 AM Saturday Jan 7, 2012

      http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10777210

      For once I mast applaud the Herald on its editorial. They are also accepting comments. I hope some on this blog take the opportunity.

      I have nothing against naturalist but what is happening at Ladies Bay if accurate is criminal behaviour. Indecent exposure is a summary offence that carries a 3 month jail penalty. Committing an indecent act in public carries a 2 year penalty. This type of behaviour is not confined to Ladies Bay or even beaches. Many of these deviants think it is okay to have sex in a public toilet. However, I say lets target Ladies Bay.

      Anyone in the Auckland area who is prepared to more than just comment on blogs often anonymously contact me at chuckbirdnz@gmail.com and we can coordinate an action plan.

    • Lucia Maria 16:23 on January 7, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      Contraception makes it possible for Governments to force women into prostitution. Just saying. :)

    • Kris K 16:24 on January 7, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      Good on you, Chuck – more power to your elbow.
      If I was up in Auckland I would be more than happy to join you. From the various articles I’ve read, including comments, it seems as though this might be the actions of the local sodomite community, and that they regard this beach as a “gay cruising” area.

      Lets hope more people complain, and that the cops come down on this hard, and don’t play the ‘homophobe’ card and go all limp on their response [puns intended].

      It’s going to be very interesting to see how this all plays out – keep us informed.

    • Kris K 16:29 on January 7, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      Your absence has been noted, Lucia – although I’m sure you’ve been loitering in the shadows both here and over at CR ;)

    • Chuck Bird 16:54 on January 7, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      Thanks Kris, perhaps you would like to support my comment on Len Brown’s FB.

      http://www.facebook.com/lenbrownformayor?sk=wall

    • Lucia Maria 17:27 on January 7, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      Been busy in real life, Kris. Having a look in occasionally.

      I see my other half has been boxing you around the ears. :lol

      You know, another ironic thing is that the whole contraception issue was the final thing that converted me to Catholicism a number of years back. I read the articles and they made total and absolute sense to me. So, it’s not one of the beliefs I accepted on faith.

      What I did have to accept on faith was that we had one life (ie no reincarnation) and that God became man and was born of the Virgin Mary. I found both quite incredible and difficult to believe.

    • mawm 19:32 on January 7, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      People from tribal backgrounds tend to favour a strong, central leader (e.g. a tribal chief) who will take care of them; feed them, clothe them, make all their decisions for them, etc. I suspect the reason it is more prevalent amongst black people is because they have a far higher proportion of tribalism in their heritage, but it seems to me it is equally true of white tribalists as black ones.

      Well, where do I start? On black tribalism: you make an incorrect assumption that the African leader is benevolent. That is not the case as they rule by terror, imposing the harshest sanctions for disobedience and by keeping their henchmen happy through their largesse; always finding more thugs to do their fouls deeds through fear of falling foul of their ‘leader’. This has been evident in one post colonial African state after another, but it is not only a post colonial practice. Shaka Zulu marched through southeastern Africa devouring those who stood in his way. His fearsome reputation made one group after another bend to his wishes and fall into his service (and form the Zulu nation), creating a massive and diciplined army that killed off all his opposition (the mfecane)….or drove them north (Ndebele) or southwards (Xosa). Dingaan and Ceteswayo followed his example.

      Yes black people have tribal backgrounds (in that I’m assuming you mean their genetic origin), but then so do Caucasians – Celt, Saxon, Hispanic, Greek, Roman, Nordic, etc, etc. For centuries small groupings would band together, often in the lee of a fortress, seeking security in numbers. In return they would pay a tax/offer a service to the leader/strongman. As these groups became bigger/stronger a terratorial need would arise and they’d go and knock over the bunch next door. To get on together these groups needed a common language and developed common mannerisms….and so become a Nation/’a people’, often with similar facial characteristics, etc, through interbreeding. Europe was a dark and dangerous place of squalor and violence as the peoples struggled to survive and propogate their genetic material and by sticking together as a ‘tribe’ they were more likely to survive.

      Desmond Morris in his book “The Naked Ape” explores the similarity between human behaviour and that of various primate groups he studied, their societal structure, their leadership (chosen through displays of strength), etc. Robert Ardrey (“African Genesis” and “The Terratorial Imperative”) points out that it was social organisation, along with the ‘killer ape’ theory that differentiated us from other primates.

      So you can see that all three of the above examples have depended on a group sticking together under a leader for survival. The leader assumes that position through a postion of strength demonstrated through physical prowess and/or guile. The diffence between the three is their degree of evolution.

      On the other hand political ideologies in communities are developed because of prevailing circumstances/ideas promulgated by individuals within those communities. So we see this with the Scots………. just a miserable crowd, living in perpetual damp and cold, and who have a few shit-stirrers in their midst who feel others must pay for their miserable lives. ; )

    • The Gantt Guy 20:22 on January 7, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      Thanks for that mawm. Don’t really care about Africa (I included them for illustration purposes only), but it’s comforting to know Scotland is a socialist shite-hole not because it’s genetic but because the weather is shitty!

    • Chuck Bird 08:23 on January 9, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      I notice a lot discussion about different peoples views on their interpretation of the Bible on GD 6 Jan. This just demonstrates again that a Christian party is not possible. I am a little disappointed that I have not got more support in doing something practical to stop militant and aggressive homosexuals taking over beaches not to mention public toilets.

      I realise direct confrontation is not everyone’s cup of tea but I see no one has even supported me on Len Brown’s FB. No one has emailed me offering any sort of support. These sort of things happen time after time. There has been numerous times when homosexuals have influenced sex education in schools. When parents find out what their children are taught there is an outcry and things die down until the next time.

      I contacted a friend who lives in St Heliers. He told me how when the old brick shithouse (literally) tucked discreetly up the back of St Heliers Dingle Dell Reserve and replaced it with a new metal electric door one, very visible and close to the road the high number of cruising queers was cut to zero overnight, and gave the Reserve back to the people. It looks like that has meant more have moved to Ladies Bay for their cruising.

      The Herald says, “United action will reclaim bay from exhibitionists”. It anyone prepared to help?

      chuckbirdnz@gmail.com

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