I couldn’t watch much of the RWC opening ceremony. Unlike the majority of cringing politically correct liberals, I’ve had it up to here with never ending displays of stone age culture at every major event, politically motivated and designed to propagate the false idea that Maori culture is the dominant NZ culture.
Its why I detest the performance of the haka, and why I dislike the All Blacks carrying out this embarrassingly offensive ritual before every rugby game.
A little is OK. For the last decade or so we’ve had so much of this primitive bullshit shoved down our throats its become a complete turn off. Almost always underpinned financially by government handouts, which means money taken from hard working NZ families who would normally have much better uses for it.
Who are these weak cringing PC officials who allow the Maori separatists to have the most influence at every ceremonial event? This is World Cup Rugby, not the opening of some damn Rotorua Marae.
Rugby is an English game. It (reputedly) started at Rugby Public School when William Webb Ellis picked up a soccer ball and ran with it. It is not a game that has within its origins any connection with Maori. Auckland City was built by New Zealanders, not Maori on their own, and if anyone from overseas was viewing last night’s opening ceremony, they could be forgiven for thinking there were no white people (or any other race for that matter) living in Auckland. Or New Zealand.
The opening ceremony was a sop to tribalism and racism and separatism and the officials behind it should all be fired. They won’t be of course. That should be warning enough to any real New Zealander. Get out, and let the place sink in a sewer of racism and socialism of its own making. Leave these pathetic savages and socialists and cringing white liberals to their own devices and their own outcomes. It’s the only way they’ll learn.
(With about 100,000 Maoris living in Australia it could possibly indicate that many of them have had enough of this separatist rubbish as well)
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106 responses to “Maori Maori Maori..!!! – Rugby World Cup Falls Victim To NZ’s Separatist Forces”
Amen! Too bloody right. A people who didn’t even have a written language, who had never seen a wheel until Europeans arrived, are being promoted as the face of NZ. What a sickening, embarrassing travesty.
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Weeell, NZ does support racially selected national sporting teams and a racial qualification to vote in national elections plus racially reserved seats on various boards.
Time for another cultural grant.
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Damn right!
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And ANOTHER thing that really sticks in my craw is that the first verse of the national anthem is always sung in Maori [and then repeated in English]. Why? Why in Maori first (not second)? Why in Maori at all?!
This is just another example of where “Maori culture” is put before, and therefore implied to be superior, then New Zealand culture.
To not stand against it is to condone and promote “everything Maori” above all else.
Sickening!!!
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Can’t fault your logic. Have to agree.
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It was certainly overdone. The whole “pasifika” thing in general, really. Len Brown even attempted another impromptu “rap” apparently . . . glad I never saw that.
Cringe-worthy indeed.
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Angus- – What sickening cowardly racist pandering. So utterly fake and politically motivated. Excuse me while I dry retch.
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Yesterday I was mystified by a strange black phallus in the Octagon, Dunedin. Here’s the answer.
Bear in mind the city is broke and donkey deep in debt.(Even if it wasn’t this doesn’t justify rates payer money).
http://www.odt.co.nz/rugby-world-cup-2011/rwc-latest-news/177092/matter-some-contention
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Kowtow- Everywhere I look I see publicly elected officials spending taxpayer funds with wild abandonment. Just as if they face no scrutiny on spending at all. Why is this happening when NZ is deep in debt and on the point of economic collapse. Is this a country of complete morons? Where is the serious pushback on government (local and central) spending? By these scum? Where is it?
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My outrage and furious response to the maorification of what should have been something to celebrate, caused friction in the home.
Sick to death of this cultural crap.Sick to death of bloody hakas!
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“My outrage and furious response to the maorification of what should have been something to celebrate, caused friction in the home.”
Stick to your guns John. You are right and we are right, and it is only 20 years of political correctness that has cowed people and stopped them from speaking out. We must break down the Berlin wall the left have erected around political discourse.
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[…] opening ceremony was a sop to tribalism and racism and separatism and the officials behind it should all be fired. They won’t be of course. That should be warning […]
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Dunedin people marched in the streets against the new stadium,against councils’ wild spending. A new council was elected on the promise of fiscal rectitude.
Any savings? No ,more of the same with global warming added for good measure.
This is why I’m convinced the political elite really do believe they know best. No question of actually doing their job of representing the electorate,they have no shame and no common sense.
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Which kind of makes the point I’ve been pushing for a long time now, Kowtow:
Elections are a sham and a farce.
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Have you guys read the latest New Zeal story today?
http://trevorloudon.com/2011/09/blood-on-the-streets-us-communists-prepare-for-conflict-hellraising/
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One could be forgiven for thinking that rugby never had anything to do with the playing fields of Eton.
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Yeah, I read that, RB. It’s staring us in the face and still people are in denial about it.
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Didn’t even bother to watch it. Sounds like it turned out just as I thought it would. Hate to think how much tax payer money went toward this “ceremony”.
So sad that the only sense of national pride the people in this country have is watching a ball being kicked around.
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What about the range of cultures that are contributing to NZ. Aussie, SA, Indian, Singaporean….They were all left out. In the end the show was about creating tourist $ for NZ, but in the process it alienated a lot of normal NZ people.
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FANTASTIC,BEAUTIFUL AMAZING OPENING CEREMONY, ONE WORD “OUTSTANDING”~!!!!!
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Suit you, does it Ros, that every other group except the second wave of immigrants (the Moriori were first) was marginalised by ideologically sound NatLab politics?
They have the kids well bluffed, so not much chance of anything changing, you win.
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I wouldn’t take too much notice of what Ros Fuckwit says–anybody who so lacks brains and manners that they’ll come into somebody else’s place and shout isn’t worth the pixels they consume. 🙂
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Great argument, wasn’t it..!!
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Ros’s brain fart reminds me of when I got into a wee bit of hot water for an answer in an exam I gave.
Define expert.
A man outstanding in his own field,for example,a farmer.
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The opening was magnificent and unique. Travelling with the English team many of us were nonplussed with some third rate highland dancing and downright useless bagpipe playing in the South Island. Whether you white New Zealanders like it or not, mimicking the culture of Great Britain and singing third rate songs at us (that we made up by the way) is neither entertaining nor unique to this part of the planet. Get over yourselves.
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“unique.”
Ha ha, thanks for the laff Trev.
And keep cringing mate.
Where are you from? Londistan?
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Trevor, perhaps you have to live here to understand.
Maori, while a minority [and usually more English than Maori in their heritage], are given a status well above the rest of NZ society. There exists a Maori gravy train, and ongoing land claims etc which both oppress most Maori (many are welfare recipients and fill our jails) while continuing to burden the productive sector and taxpayers of our society by what amounts to outright theft.
Numerous Marxist governments, including the current so called rightwing National led government, continue to pander to ongoing Maori demands and “all things Maori”, and damn the rest of the country. This creates a “them versus us” divided NZ society and disadvantages both Maori and non-Maori alike.
I suggest you consider this issue more deeply. You won’t get any help from the 6 o’clock news, but there are many conservative NZ blogs (like this one) which have outlined this issue in great detail in recent years. The truth is out there.
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hear hear trevor brilliant opening, after watching those canoes and that opening knew it was worth taking a month or so off work and spending thousands on getting here .. finally in the home of rugby and it certainly feels like it … we were walking to our hotel and were mixed up in a flashy haka mob thing and it was hilarious … my bird even jumped in and gave it a go and the maoris were great about it hahaha …
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Well 60000 @ the open ceremony loved it … what else were u going to do? I am interested in what white new Zealand would have done instead
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“White New Zealand”..?
What are you, another separatist? What’s with the compulsion to separate people by the colour of their skin?
This was the opening of World Cup Rugby, not a damn stage for stone age Maori culture.
And the same goes for just about very ceremony that ever occurs in NZ. They are openers for specific events and not an opportunity to endlessly thrust the haka and other such items of Maori culture down people’s throats.
These events should not be turned into political statements.
Australia is pushing back and so should NZers.
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Err OK how would you have done it differently? Openings aim to wow audiences and show off the host nation … What would all of u who hated the Maori stuff have done insted ?
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If that was just a political statement then it was a beautiful and stunning one and as a Kiwis I was proud
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“What would all of u who hated the Maori stuff have done insted ?”
A brainwashed mungbean who can’t answer a simple question for herself. There is plenty that can be said about New Zealand without the inclusion of savage war dances and primitive sea vessels. As it used to be done before “Maori cultural” became flavour of the decade. Good god. Use your brain and don’t waste my time.
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“If that was just a political statement then it was a beautiful and stunning one and as a Kiwis I was proud.”
Good for you Chris. As another Kiwi I was ashamed at how we have to politicise everything and dilute European culture just to appease a few loud mouthed separatists.
You see it your way, I’ll see it mine.
(BTW, Chris Shirley Frank and Trevor all posting from the same IP address. Just coincidence right? Why it it that you commies can never play with a straight bat?)
(You see what happens when you allow leftists a voice readers? You get deceit and inanity. Just not worth the trouble.)
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You ask Why????…. BECAUSE OF A PIECE OF PAPER WHICH WAS SIGNED BACK IN 1840… THAT IS WHY….
I failed to see anything from you(Redbaiter) saying that the Olympic Opening ceremony in Beijing was an embarrassment, after all… the Olympics were founded in Greece not China, so why have a opening ceremony which was based around the Chinese people?
For you to criticize the Maori Culture and the Maori People like that, is disgusting… and all you other people who agree with this person… I SERIOUSLY DO NOT KNOW WHY YOU LIVE IN NEW ZEALAND FOR IF YOU CAN NOT STAND THE CULTURE AND PEOPLE WHO FOUND THIS COUNTRY AND ALLOWED FOR PEOPLE OF SUCH LITTLE BRAINS INTO THIS COUNTRY!!!!
Yes it was the opening of the Rugby World Cup…. and I am soo sorry to tell you that There are MAORI LEGENDS who have played Rugby, Represented New Zealand all around the world with playing Rugby … And I know for a Fact that they would have been Bloody proud of the opening to the world cup this year! and you say how could this person know this, BECAUSE MY GRANDFATHER IS ONE OF THOSE LEGENDS! The best FULL BACK the world has ever seen … he was also the full back for the invincible…
The Nation Anthem is Sung in Maori and in English because those are the two OFFICIAL (yes i said official) Languages of New Zealand. The fact that the Maori national Anthem is sung before the english is purely because it sounds better and because it is upholding the rights which Maori have in the Treaty of Waitangi…
if you have a problem with anything which happens within New Zealand and the fact that we represent the Maori Culture, then I think you need to MOVE OUT …. There are more people out there who are willing to move to NZ and uphold the cultural identity of NZ and the Maori influence which happens to flow through out NZ…
So in some uneducated words… P*SS OFF IF YOU DONT LIKE IT!!!
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Going by your example Joe (Chinese) shouldn’t it have been the Moriori who did all the cultural stuff?
And I’ll bet you ain’t even a Maori.
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“There are more people out there who are willing to move to NZ and uphold the cultural identity of NZ and the Maori influence which happens to flow through out NZ…”
Oh yeah, that’ll work really well, you semi-literate halfwit oaf. Go ahead, import a load of Somalis and Afghans and Lebanese and Bangladeshis to replace Kiwis who are leaving in disgust at what their country has become.
And see how long your precious moori “culture” lasts.
The only “culture” maori have left is courtesy of the white taxpayer, who funds the separatist shit for them. No written language. No musical instruments worthy of the name. No written history. No mathematics, geometry, physics, chemistry, refrigeration wheeled vehicles….the list is long.
Everything maori enjoy today (other than putting their babies in clothes dryers and punting them around the backyard) comes courtesy of other cultures more advanced than theirs.
So, put on a grass skirt, take off the white man’s shoes and walk to Kaitaia or Kaikohe–you’ll be right at home up there among the thieving feral baby-killing dirtbags.
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“The fact that the Maori national Anthem is sung before the english is purely because it sounds better and because it is upholding the rights which Maori have in the Treaty of Waitangi …”
What a load of PC crap, Joe.
I made the complaint that the National Anthem being sung first in Maori is wrong – no one understands it and it’s not even an accurate rendering of the English first verse, and therefore shouldn’t be sung in Maori at all IMO. And the only reason it is sung in Maori is because some jumped up Maori singer decided, without permission, she would sing it in Maori not English. And it was this, not the faux Treaty, which started the practice.
Oh, and by the way Joe I’m part Maori. But the more the separatist faction within Maoridom promotes division in this country, and not to mention the whole impression that Maori are somehow superior to the rest of us, the more I am disinclined to even mention I have Maori heritage at all.
And I couldn’t really give a stuff whether or not you can prove direct lineage to Maui …
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Wow Joe that was really quite amusing. But tell me, what the hell does the treaty have to do with the opening ceremony of the Rugby World Cup and our national anthem? The government isn’t legally obliged to pander to separatists, it’s all purely politically motivated.
Maori didn’t “found New Zealand” I’m sorry to say. This country was built on the back of European hard work and culture, with Maori labour assistance. Take a look around some time.
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And I really dont give two stuffs if you are part Maori… you either are or your not… you dont get to pick and choose when you want to be any race… I feel sorry for you there Kris K because the only person you are denying is yourself and the only person you are lying to is yourself… the fact that you are soo shallow is your own Making, please dont spread your stupidity and your shallowness onto anyone else… your bitterness is a sickness and I hope you get better soon…
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hmmm…over 100,000 mooori are “negative cunts” then? After all, they fucked off. 🙂
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You have all been totally mis-informed for if you had read about the history of Aotearoa (New Zealand), you would know that Maori were in-fact here from time immemorial, and it is not your fault, the history books you have had to digest were written to the bias cause of justifying this behaviour. so yes it was right that Maori represent th diversity of this nation. why cant we have Maori culture part of the fabric of New Zealand, for if we did not wouldnt we be an English culture? you may say but im kiwi yes you can be a flightless bird, but what is your culture, Maori culture is not exclusive it is inclusive, Pakeha is a term used in good-faith, as Maori valued their Pakeha guests when they arrived in Aotearoa. and I am sorry Jay but you are in-correct, history rather tells a different story where Pakeha were heavily reliant on their Maori hosts to advance their plans, Maori used good will to do this which was taken well advantage of. Why does the tax payer have to be white? KG you seem angry at something, what it is I do not know? abuse? this concept came with the colonisers, women and children were truly valued highest amongst all things, the colonisers however could not comprehend having to deal directly with a woman, as in Engalnd woman could not own land, and were thus treated inferior. so you are not to blame only the colonisers, I am proud of my Scottish heritage my ancestors got on fine with Maori, and vice versa.
The treaty is important as it outlined the importance Colonisers placed on working in tandum with Maori, if both parties had stuck to the letter how good would NZ be? both cultures working in unison, instead of the division which is prevalent today. I leave with somthing to think about. Scottish settlors warned Maori not to sign the Treaty with the English, as they had been harshly treated by them in Scotland, notwithstanding Maori signed as they truly believed in a partnership that can work. so what do you say? “we are all in this together”
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“…you would know that Maori were in-fact here from time immemorial..”
Wrong. Clearly, factually wrong.
“..abuse? this concept came with the colonisers,.”
Again, factually wrong. Read the accounts of the first settlers and missionaries. Read Alan Duff’s “Both Sides of The Moon”. I lived in the Far North for a few years and people still talk about how places like Peach Island were used to keep slaves captive until they could be eaten. And the local Ngapuhi used to raid Kaikohe for children to eat. So if “women and children were truly valued highest among all things” maori males had a very strange way of demonstrating it.
“The treaty is important as it outlined the importance Colonisers placed on working in tandum with Maori”
It did no such thing–it merely gave maori the same rights and protections as any other British subjects.
Get an education, for chrissakes. Your mindless regurgitation of PC talking points and lies indicates that you need it.
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@Dunk
Just get the hell back behind Hadrian’s wall and STFU.
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Keep it up, Trevor. A Brit commenting on culture is hilarious, seeing as how you’re busy giving yours away to a bunch of goat-humpers as fast as you can.
By the time you get home your wife or girlfriend will be in a burqa and you’ll have the right to stone her to death.
Until you can grow the balls to defend your own culture I suggest you refrain from commenting on others.
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KG you are soo angry, not all facets of Maori culture were divine and right, and I will be the first to tell you, that you are right. but neither was the lord systems of England, even Americas culture of consumption, my aim was not ridicule only to inform that we all me you and Redbaiter have a history and culture to maintain and awhi (lookafter) and whther you like it or not, “we are all in this together” mindless regurgitation, please I urge you to read Elsdon Best, James Belich, Mike King. these may enhance your understanding of the diversity of Maori culture. please do not quote Alan Duff he wrote fiction. And by giving Maori these rights doesnt that fortify the notion that they truly believed in a working relationship? I thank you for forging my arguement on that point. I learnt about alot of cultures perhaps even yours, and I am fine with this, why not learn some Maori I promise you will not regret it, and you may better place your self when mooting an issue about the history of Aotearoa (New Zealand)
@ Redbaiter thank you for your reply, and I like the flag Dukes of hazard nice, but seriousily some of the stances that were shared by that flag were not un-like Maori during the land wars, both fighting for a justified cause. lol Hadrians wall good one friend.
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“…but neither was the lord systems of England, even Americas culture of consumption..”
But we’re not talking about those. Strawmen don’t fly around here.
“..my aim was not ridicule only to inform that we all me you and Redbaiter have a history and culture to maintain..”
Well, thanks for telling us–we’d never have known that without the benefit of your wisdom.
“these may enhance your understanding of the diversity of Maori culture”
I don’t need it “enhanced” by PC propagandists–I lived among them for too long.
“..please do not quote Alan Duff he wrote fiction..”
Duff said himself that it was based on fact and despite the howls of outrage his books caused, nobody has been able to refute those facts. Do you regard the lifestyle depicted in “Once Were Warriors” as fiction too?
“..why not learn some Maori I promise you will not regret it,..”
You can promise no such thing. I have no interest whatsoever in learning the language of a people I regard as primitive and violent and–outside New Zealand–utterly irrelevant.
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Oh shit, another liberal has come to tell us we’re all stupid idiots who know absolutely nothing because we don’t agree with their view. What a mess of verbal shit you wrote Dunk.
A time immemorial? Define that exactly. 600~ years isn’t a very long time in human history.
Women and children highly valued? Go read Paul Moon’s “This Horrid Practice”. Young girls were killed off and cannibalized by their own kin. Pre-European Maori culture surely wasn’t anything pretty.
I’ve just read a new book on NZ history called “The Corruption Of New Zealand Democracy: A Treaty Overview” by Dr. John Robinson. He worked within the gravy train industry and has spoken out about it. Sounds like just the ticket for you, Dunk. Might as well look up some writings by treaty experts like David Round and writings by Mike Butler while you’re at it.
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Careful, Jay–you’ll confuse ’em with those horrible things called “facts”.
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KG I fully agree with most of what you have said, you make afew valid points. I see at least your arguements are based on politics rather than the rubbish you were spraying earlier. nice I commend you. as for PC “viva la revolution” my friend.
@ Jay thank you for your reply, I am sorry you must not understand immemorial in the context I expressed, from the very beginning so well before known time, the 600 year mark was the arrival of a fleet of people from the pacific, Maori is a term meaning normal, so they werent Maori they were just (normal) people, who settled with more (normal) people. for centuries Maori or normal people navigated to and from Aotearoa, its just the 600 year story made better sense for a painter named Goldie, and an English adventure story author. Jay please read my prior comments to gain abit of context about the value of people. and thank you for your recommendation by Dr John Robinson I will read it, I have read David Round lecturer from CU I think? very good read, and extremely valid, however jurisprudence if applied tilts towards Maori, and David places a huge amount of his thesis towards jurisprudence so Sir Cheif Justice David Barragwanyth believes anyway.
Truly thank you for your time, this has been a good discussion and I have learnt a great deal, and remember “we are all in this together”
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“its just the 600 year story made better sense for a painter named Goldie, and an English adventure story author.”
Not so–recent research indicates that the 600 year figure is far more accurate than the previously accepted timeline.
Just as recent research shows that maori did not come from Hawaii, but from the Taiwan region via PNG.
And Dunk, I can assure we are not “all in this together”. Some of us reject utterly the lie that maori are “treaty partners”.
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I had a conversation with an historian/Anthropologist, (I suppose north island/South island Aotearoa) both are pretty much historians, anyway they done genetics research and you are right Taiwan was the origin but they said 2000 years plus which would make sense as migration from Taiwan to the islands would have taken somtime as well as settlement, however some argue Peru because some sweet potatoe were exactly identicle with some found in Taiwan and the islands, and Potatoe is important as it the prime source of origin, European movements before recordable time are based on the genetics of certain potatoe, from one area to another. dont Hawaiians come from Taiwan too? I urge you to read works by Elsdon Best about a Tribe called Potiki, who have no boat to associate, they come from Aotearoa, their creation is a lot like Adam and Eve why? because they can not associate themselves with a waka or boat from the Pacific.
your comment about treaty partners, I honestly believe that ‘we are all in this together’ was it a lie? from my understanding Maori and Pakeha both fully believed this to the letter, becaues why would the Crown have signed off on it? and why did soo many Maori sign it? and why didnt Pakeha just deciamate Maori and take Aotearoa? because both sides believed in it. Our histories both Pakeha and Maori should be mandated to carry-out the wishes of our fore-fathers. other externalities are to blame for the current situation we are all in. Thank you again KG your reply is much appreciated.
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Oh dear Dunk. You tell others they have been misinformed. Then you demonstrate your own ignorance of history.
You state “the colonisers however could not comprehend having to deal directly with a woman, as in Engalnd (sic) woman (sic) could not own land.” Dunk – women could and did own real property under common law. Equity (Dunk – that is another limb of English law) provided further protections against the inappropriate application of the common law doctrine of feme covert in marriage. Perhaps you meant to instruct us specifically on that doctrine, under which a woman’s property passed to her husband on marriage. If so, say so and I’ll debate its origins, application and reform. You are factually incorrect in stating that woman could not own property under English law at the time of the Treaty. They could and did.
Perhaps you could explain to us the nature of Maori women’s property rights prior to 1840?
And the treaty was not with England (you assert that Scottish settlers dissuaded Maori from signing the Treaty with England). Scotland had been a part of Great Britain for over 140 years by the time the Treaty was signed.
I thought the Opening Ceremony was well done, a good show piece and entertaining. But it was not representative of NZ – it was representative of one cultural group – a subset. I don’t have a problem with that as I see its purpose as entertainment and to appeal to foreigners and potential tourists.
I cannot remember any previous RWC opening ceremonies. But I can remember the rugby. That is what matters. The same will be true of this World Cup.
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Dunk, others here have been far too polite. Fuck off, and take your lies and distortions with you. If “maori” meant “person” then one group of “maori” wouldn’t have successfully extorted billions (with billions more to come) from another group of “maori”. Since the Maori had no written language when Europeans arrived and since the numerous dialects of the language made inter-tribal communication difficult, I’m going to say the “maori” means extortionist, lying scumbag. It’s a far more accurate definition.
Maori ought to consider themselves lucky New Zealand was colonised by a pack of sooks like the English. Had New Zealand been colonised by a people even half-way as savage as Maori, Maori would likely not even exist today. Maori would have suffered the same fate as that of the Moriori, who ended up in Maori cooking pots. In fact, had Europeans waited a half-century they would probably have found New Zealand uninhabited given the rate at which Maori were wiping themselves out (the whole basis for the treaty was Maori seeking protection from themselves!)
A culture so advanced the only two things it gave the world world were the concept of daughters as dinner and making tattooed heads a trade currency. Latterly of course they’ve given the world the concept of growing wealthy through the manipulation of history and Liberal White Guilt (LWG).
And as for Joe … which of the TOW’s three clauses gives Maori the first verse of the National Anthem? I’ve read the document and it doesn’t mention anything about the National Anthem. It isn’t a difficult read; I’d recommend both Joe and Dunk take the time to do so. There aren’t many big words in there so you should be able to get the gist of it. You might surprise yourselves. There’s no justification for the false concept of “partnership”. There’s no justification for apartheid electoral rolls. There’s no justification for special treatment in education or employment. All of those things came about not because of anything in the treaty but because of LWG.
So fuck off and get yourselves an education.
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Hahahahahaha….’anything written by REDBAITER is an opinion….’ (unquote)……obviously he cant get his opinion or attacks heard anywhere else in the world,so he desperately tries to get the world on his side on here…you are obviously lacking some brain cells here REDBOY….like it or not yes……MAORI MAORI MAORI….KAI PATU AUEEEE…..
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So how much European blood do you have Richa?
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This is one of the worst infestations I’ve seen in a long time, Red. You’re gonna need to fumigate the whole place!
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I am fumigating, but you know how they’re attracted to the light..
PS: That one simple question seems to have been enough to make that one turn tale.
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I dont think it matters how much ‘European blood’ I have.The amount of blood is not the discussion here,in fact it is beside the point.This discussion of yours has come from your personal so called intelligent views and misconceptions,albeit,making yourself sound like Gods given one and only educated scholar.You state you are not racist,but then,you kinda defeat the purpose of that statement(along with your other supporters) by referring to Maori….as ‘savages’…’thieving feral baby-killing dirtbags’…’unintelligent’…need I say more?..Part of the meaning of being racist encompasses all of those statements.I agree,you have the right to your own views aimed at a particular culture,but surely,if the opening of the Rugby World Cup offended you and your supporters so much,then why not go to the organising committee and make it known.After all,it was not totally organised by one particular culture.And whether we like it or not,we are here to stay.Since all the hype over the RWC has started,Maori people have gone out of their way to accommodate the variety of cultures that have arrived.In towns all over NZ where visiting nations are staying.In a hugely Maori populated area like the Far North,students from Maori speaking schools have adopted a particular country to study about.We are not a pack of ‘dumb natives’ or ‘grass skirt wearing pathetics’.We do appreciate monoculturalism,biculturalism and the like.May I suggest that you take your ideas,knowledge,views,anger,pain,discomfort,racism,your statements of discontent,your supporters and go and explain to those Maori children in schools.Tell them they are a bunch of uneducated,government begging,baby killing,poor uneducated race of people. After all,you sound like you have read the book of history in all its glory…HE WHAKAAHUA AHAU NO OKU MATUA,NO OKU TUPUNA,TUKU IHO,TUKU IHO…..Find the meaning of that and you will see where I am coming from!!
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“I dont think it matters how much ‘European blood’ I have.”
I think it matters a hell of a lot. How about you stop boring us with paragraph-less ranting and cut to the chase. I’d say there is a good chance you’re a fake Maori, meaning a NZ citizen of European descent who identifies as Maori in order to capitalize on the many advantages available through government subsidies, grants, and special treatment legislation. When in reality you don’t need any of it.
For myself, I have always refused welfare, as I have never asked any other man, rich or poor, black or white, to provide me with money he has earned. I guess you’re happy with making the so called race you identify with dependent on handouts from the rest of NZ. I thought they were meant to be a proud people.
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Hey Richa,
I’m part Maori and I have no problem with saying that many Maori are “‘savages’…’thieving feral baby-killing dirtbags’” and that many do come across as “unintelligent”. Sorry, but that’s reality and backed up with the facts. And until Maori start taking responsibility for their own, rather than excusing or ignoring it, then these trends will continue to escalate and worsen.
Last time I checked stating the facts wasn’t considered racist …
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Based on Margaret Mutu’s definition they could not be racist as a racist must be in a position of power to be racist!
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“My ancestors were here way before yours.”
Longer than (some of) MINE, Amy?
By the way, you’d have to be FULL Maori for that statement to have any validity. Are you FULL Maori, Amy? Or just another pandering brown wannabee separatist?
Of course the whole “who-was-here-first” argument is completely irrelevant; either we’re ALL New Zealanders or we’re not.
People like you are the real racists who bring genuine division to this once great little nation. Shame on you!
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Sorry Amy, this isn’t a forum that will accommodate foul mouthed racist hate and intolerance for opposing views such as you have just exampled. Take it somewhere else please.
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Amy, it is entirely wrong to compare Maori to the Jewish people. Despite millenia of persecution, Jews are invariably the most self-sufficient, smartest, more productive, skilled, hard-working and stable segment of every community. The Maori are less so.
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BTW, for all of the so called “Maoris” another interesting article on TrueblueNZ here-
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Richa says – HE WHAKAAHUA AHAU NO OKU MATUA,NO OKU TUPUNA,TUKU IHO,TUKU IHO…..Find the meaning of that and you will see where I am coming from!!
Goody – I love a puzzle. Look Richa, it has been a while since I studied the language, and I am just a humble Pakeha, who was born in NZ, as was my father, my grandfathers and so on back through six generations. I have not lived there for years. So you’ll have to cut me some slack. OK?
I would translate your phrase, idiomatically, as “I am the image of my father, of my ancestors, and so on through time.”
OK – maybe not perfect (you tell me). But I’d guess I read and speak Maori better than 80% of Maori today (thanks, or no thanks, to a school I attended where the subject was compulsory for two years – followed by a desire in my profession not to be hoodwinked by some with whom I dealt). I do not have a skerrick of Maori blood in me – I know because my family history is written back for two hundred years for every one of my ancestors – and a lot longer for some of them.
It is odd that I can read Maori (even if poorly). You see the thing is, until one of my ancestors and a few other folk from the Old Country had a crack and writing it down, there was no thing as a written language. Some in Maoridom seem to forget our contributions. I hope I said that politely enough.
OK – you said we’d see where you were coming from. Sorry – I still don’t. If your point is your cultural pride – great. I have that too.
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I have just put up a post over at CR: NZ National Anthem: English-Maori Comparison. Interesting reading as it shows the ‘Maori’ National Anthem is nothing like the New Zealand National Anthem. In fact the Maori version CANNOT be called a translation of the genuine article due to it being COMPLETELY different.
On that basis we should drop this Maori corruption forthwith!!!
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Kris K,
The Maori lyrics were written by Thomas Smith, an English immigrant to New Zealand, in 1878. He was a colleague of my Grt.Grt. Grandfather. They were never intended to be a translation of the English lyrics.
Oh dear – another travesty. The lyrics were not written by a Maori. Maybe you point this out in your other post (I’ll take a look).
Those of us of a certain age grew up knowing the song as the national hymn rather than the National Anthem. I never learned the Maori lyrics as a child. in later years I chose not to, because of the politics around them, which I disagreed with (and still do). There was room for both versions – but the politics drove out any desire I had to commit to the Maori version.
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Lex, the point wasn’t so much who wrote it but that the two are so completely different that in essence we have the original and genuine article and then something which couldn’t even be accused of being a rough approximation of the original. The corrupt ‘Maori’ version is so far removed from the original New Zealand National Anthem that it couldn’t even be called a bad paraphrase.
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Lex, PS If the Maori version was “never intended to be a translation of the English lyrics” then why do we identify BOTH the original and the Maori [per]version to be the National Anthem? I mean to say, how many National Anthems does this nation have?! I know of only ONE!
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Quite true of course, and point taken. The two sets of lyrics were written only two years apart. Smith wrote his version at Governor Grey’s request. The reality was that he had to come up with lyrics to fit with the cadence of the tune – which was already written. So a literal translation wasn’t going to work. Much the same is true of lyrics written in English and, say, French.
I take some delight in the fact that it was not written by Maori – but by an Englishman at the request of another Englishman. The tune itself was written in Australia if I recall.
So to all the Maori today who take pride in the Maori lyrics of the National Anthem – thank a man who was born in Gloucestershire (I think) and learned Maori as a servant of the Colonial Government.
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Actually two – God Save the Queen still carries joint status with God Defend New Zealand as a national anthem.
Odd isn’t it?
God Defend New Zealand now appears to be considered singly in both versions of the lyrics. But the Maori version lay dormant for over 100 years. So I have no answer to your question – other than the politics around “Maorification” (the reason I do not buy into the Maori lyrics on today’s environment).
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Guess who has been reading Wikipedia!!!!!
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If you say so sthnjeff.
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Ted, but at least the English weren’t still eating each other to extinction like Maori were.
Like Gantt said above,
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Ted, you want to call us racist you can take it somewhere else. I’m not giving you a platform for that weak as water BS.
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Ted you fucking retard, nobody is suggesting the Maori element be removed from the ceremony, just that the rest of New Zealand culture be allowed a space as well. New Zealand != Maoridom (yet, but give Chris Finlayson another couple of years and who knows) but you wouldn’t know it from the ceremony. Where was representation of New Zealand’s vibrant Asian community? Pacific Islands? And (gulp) European?
Red, it would be interesting to know how many unique IP addresses there are on this thread and how many unique handles. I’d be willing to bet there are vastly more names than IP addresses.
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Gantt- there were originally a bunch of messages all from the same IP, but not lately. I think the similar nature of the messages could mean one or two things- they’ve wizened up and are using proxies, or they’re all so deeply brainwashed they actually do think and speak and write the same. Like lemmings.
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hmmm. I doubt your average troll is smart enough to set up proxies, so I’m guessing you’ve been infested with a troll swarm. Bloody hard to get rid of once they get a toe-hold.
And note to the moron whose drivel has been cleansed: my reference to infestation was an infestation of trolls, not an infestation of Maori. Interesting how the more emotionally unstable and intellectually inferior always go straight for the race card.
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Gosh this gets worse…from MAORI MAORI MAORI to ‘Treaty of Waitangi’,’National Anthem’,to hogwash about IP addresses,to ‘how much Maori blood’..This discussion has become a farce.
RED you quoted:
……’I’d say there is a good chance you’re a fake Maori, meaning a NZ citizen of European descent who identifies as Maori in order to capitalize on the many advantages available through government subsidies, grants, and special treatment legislation. When in reality you don’t need any of it.’
To tell you the truth,I have never used my race as a means of gaining advantages.I have lived my life simply,worked for what I have and never,even though you may summise,waited for any handouts whatsoever.I dont recall mentioning anything about being a ‘fake Maori’.
It would be interesting to know what your current occupation is. Could it be you are a Lecturer in Anthropology or History.Let me guess,youre actually sitting at home living off a government handout…hmmmm.One statement would sum up you and your supporters intents: you are in fact, feeling left out yourselves you poor things.
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What I’m doing every day is risking my capital and working my arse off so that the scumbag politicians you elect can legislatively steal my money and hand it out to the losers miscreants and bludgers who vote for them.
And you’d be one of those voters I reckon, and y’know its a bit much. I not only have to carry whinging whining parasites like you, but apparently you expect me to provide you with blog space so you can come on here and abuse me for it.
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“It would be interesting to know what your current occupation is.”
You don’t want to know–lest your delusions of adequacy be destroyed. 🙂
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What.. You can’t handle the truth? Why’d you delete my comment?
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Read the link two comments above.
And the posting guidelines top right.
I’m not compelled to provide semi-literate half educated morons with blog space.
Start your own blog.
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I do take it, that its ok for Maori to love their Maoritanga right… as long as they dont act like one? It is your views and the morons who agree with you, that is segregating this country, not Maori. Maori is here to stay, and if you dont like, jump in your japanese made car, drive yourself to the American made plane and fly yourself to the original Rugby playing country – Georgia! Ka kite ano:-)
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Jesus H Christ…. are you dumb or summit. The whole debate is not that Maori should not have a culture it is just that it is rammed down everyones throats to the point that it is the only culture in our multi-cultural society!
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Personally I would like to say that the opening of the rugby world cup was very good and the many people that put this together and were apart of this i have to say it was fabulous tumeke. The only people that moan about it or are unhappy are about 1 percent of the country. We as tangata whenua have learnt to get on with our brothers and sisters of all cultures and hence we embrace that. Nobody shoved anything down your throat, you have freewill to watch the rugby opening ceremony or not. The fact is the whole world watched it and enjoyed it. If you did not will in fact you pack a tantrum on a blog criticising because of your jealousy and you are coward, you do not talk for the people of new zealand you talk from a chauvinistic and very sad person. Aotearoa is the best country in the world, and if you not happy then maybe you should leave. Ka kite.
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ae Christine I agree, Aotearoa is the best country in the world… where else would one expect to see Maori culture? Its what the tourists came to see, not sit around drinking tea and eating scones… As for ramming it down your throat sthnjeff, try shutting your mouth! It works wonders:-) You learn what you want to learn, thats the joy of having free will… no one is making you learn our culture, no one is making you watch it on tv… thats what the off button is for…. you can either stay squirrelled away in your house behind closed curtains and doors, or you can join the rest of the country and the diverse peoples in it.
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“no one is making you learn our culture, no one is making you watch it on tv”
Not right at all. Not only are they forcing it upon us, (via the education system and other government agencies) they’re making us pay for it- this time with $9 million of taxpayer’s money. Leaving aside the $40 million it took to get Maori TV off the ground.
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OMG, this land is full of ignorant racist wannabe morris dancers? How does that make you feel? Your rapist thieving culture is now tasting the sting of their fruits/deeds, not easy to swallow is it? Anyway my parting comment is that you racist pricks sound as ridiculous as you morris dancers look? And what about the jousting culture you are so desperately trying to revive? Have you seen what sort of people are involved? I say to Maori involved in the RWC, haka on, the stage is rightfully yours
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“Anyway my parting comment”
Good Ted. Go away. You’re snooze material. Like all of your half educated well indoctrinated supporters.
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There is no free will involved when money is taken off me by the government and used to fund your culture. If the taxpayer wasn’t forced to fund it to the tune of hundreds of millions per year it would almost completely die out, almost overnight. Few of you would be interested in funding any of it yourselves. Those who did would genuinely represent a living and vital maori culture.
True culture arises from what people freely choose to do with their own time and money.
What you call culture is artificial and sterile in and of itself.
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Once again we see the complete and utter lack of comprehension embodied by the likes of Christine Kereama and Susan Stevens. Try actually reading what others have said and address the points made rather than addressing what you THINK THEY HAVE SAID.
It is, among other things, this complete inability to think critically and put a coherent argument together that prevents people getting to the root of what is wrong with this country. All they seem able to do is regurgitate parrot-fashion what they’ve been fed and indoctrinated with; not an original though amongst them.
Just more examples of mindless separatist-Marxist zombies …
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Reading the comments of Kereama and Stevens leaves me hoping they’re well past breeding age–the thought of two such utter morons contributing to the gene pool would be too depressing.
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Jeez, RB put that dimwitted piece of shit ‘Ted’ out of its misery fer chrissakes! Anything that stupid should be kept away from a keyboard (and shoelaces).
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Its LRO probably I can’t be bothered looking.
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“Reading the comments of Kereama and Stevens leaves me hoping they’re well past breeding age–the thought of two such utter morons contributing to the gene pool would be too depressing.”
So dumb they’re calling the part Maoris on here who agree with us racists. Its all they’ve got. The knee jerk allegation of racism. Just like good little Hitler Jugen.
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OMG, I did not realise there was so much racism and hatred in New Zealand. I am a proud kiwi and all of this just makes me sad. I pity all of you. Wasting your time and energy on talking crap, get a life and go out and do something positive in your lives!
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Yaaaaawn…….
“I did not realise there was so much racism and hatred in New Zealand”
You need to try living in Kaitaia or Kaikohe–the maoris in those places will show you what racism looks like. Or is that acceptable to clowns like you?
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What a pack of semi-literate half-educated lemmings. This thread explains so much of what is wrong with my once-beautiful homeland. The maorification is now complete. Non Maori are allowed in only to Pay the jizya. They have no rights other than Pay Up and Be Abused.
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Whether you like it or not, Maori isnt going anywhere, and its people like you who are on the way out. I applaud the introduction of Maori in schools, your children and ours are learning to live together in a united country, its people like you who are the minority. But dont worry, there’s plenty of room on the moon for you and every other scabby white faggot racist in this world – please buy yourself a gun and shoot yourself in the head? No really!
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Gantt- Are they not thugs? This is what the socialist controlled education system is producing. Thousands of illiterate jabbering monkeys full of hate and intolerance.
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You’re right, Gantt. The slime is oozing out from the sewers. What a perfect match–brown primitives and leftist ideology. Made for one another.
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