General Debate Saturday 11/12/10

“But what do we mean by the American Revolution? Do we mean the American war? The Revolution was effected before the war commenced. The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations…This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution.” – John Adams

19 thoughts on “General Debate Saturday 11/12/10

  1. Only because the seeds of revolution has been in stilled in the peoples pysche for years could the revolutionaries have seen through Valley Forge. They hardly had clothes on their backs and still won the war of independence. Was George
    Washington that charismatic a man or was hunger for freedom truly oppressing good men’s spirit’s. Today we’re being painted into a corner where it will only take one man with one powerful word to reignite that righteous struggle.


  2. Obama is a narcissist Erikter, as are so many leftists. Its always all about them and their damn self image.

    “Critics have often said of Obama that “it’s all about him,” that he has a tendency to reference himself no matter what subject he is discussing. “


  3. Here’s a question which has been on my mind for a while. American Thinker puts forward a likely list of reasons:

    Symposium: Why do so many Jews still vote Democrat?

    More and more often, I am getting asked by Jews (conservative) and non-Jews alike: Why are American Jews still aligned with the Democratic Party, why are they backing Obama so fervently, and why are they so incredibly hostile to American Christians, who have never harmed them? I’ve run out of ideas for answers. I can easily trace the history of the Jewish allegiance to the Democratic Party and I can explain the traditional, pre-20th Century Jewish wariness of Christians, but I cannot explain how, in the 21st Century, these views still hold.

    The 20th Century (especially the late 20th Century) showed us that American Christians are mostly our friends; the 20th Century showed us that the socialist state is hostile to Jews, often genocidally so; this campaign is showing us that Obama’s default friends and advisors, the ones to whom he automatically gravitates, are anti-Israel and anti-Jewish; and this political season has shown us the Left increasingly casting off the illusion that it isn’t wildly antisemitic.

    Are either of you interested in taking a stab at answering this question? By now, all I’ve come up with are two Biblical answers (that the Jews are a “stubborn” people and that the Jews have a historical knack of making stupid political decisions) and one nasty answer (that American Jews are just stupid).

    I also wonder whether it’s an intellectual snobbery thing. An ongoing sense of pride for Jews has been that they’re smart — but too often they confuse smart with “intellectual” or “possessing a degree.” They’ll sneer at the incredibly intuitive, competent, successful plumber (or governor), but fall all over themselves lauding someone who has a degree from an Ivy League University, regardless of that person’s actual merits. I was certainly raised that way, but I managed to figure out that there’s often a huge chasm between being smart (and, one hopes, moral) and being educated (and, sadly, so often immoral or amoral).

    Sign me frustrated.

    Well worth reading the whole article.


  4. One or both and how come? I am able to click on both of them here and they came up.

    I’ve updated my blog post with the link to Ace and my own saved version of slublog’s image. Can you see them there?


  5. And if that’s the case I cn’t see them being very happy with Larry David.

    Who I highly suspect has changed his name.

    Wonder what they thought of Fran Drescher for that matter.


  6. kris k
    I read some where it was someting like 70% Jews voted Demo. These are clearly “liberal” and that’s why. Perhaps Jewishness has nothing to do with it.
    I ask the same of Catholics. (being one myself) How can a Catholic put a Democrat into office ,this is the abortion party after all ,and every thinking,political Catholic knows that. The answer has to be they are “liberals”first and foremost and religious commitment comes after. I can tell you I was raging at the funeral the RC hierarchy gave that shallow, deceitful Kennedy recently.But that’s power and politics.


  7. Wikiriwhi,

    I think most of the Jewish producers and/or actors such as David and Drescher are liberal democrats, and are likely typical of American Jewry who vote Democrat.

    If you read further through the article I linked to (in my 15:49 comment) you will see that the more Conservative and/or Orthodox Jews are, the more likely they are to vote Republican. Whereas if they are Reform or non-religious Jews they are more likely to vote Democrat (And they are also more likely to view the conservative-Christian Right as anti-Jewish, despite this not being the case – the article further clarifies this type of thinking).


  8. Kowtow 17:12,

    “The answer has to be they are “liberals”first and foremost and religious commitment comes after.”

    My comment to Wikiriwhi (17:17) essentially confirms what you just said:

    … the more Conservative and/or Orthodox Jews are, the more likely they are to vote Republican. Whereas if they are Reform or non-religious Jews they are more likely to vote Democrat …

    And I’m sure the same parallels apply to Catholics who take God’s word seriously, as opposed to those who are essentially non-religious.


  9. Well if you go back into their history, they were always a deeply divided race and to thier peril. They seem to think division is luxury. I think now I understand why God choose them. They can only survive because of Him. The analogy is quite clear.

    Also, have you heard of Zion oil which has found huge reserves of oil and gas in Israel that the media has completley ignored?


  10. Wikiriwhi 17:26,

    I think now I understand why God chose them. They can only survive because of Him.

    Yep, a stiff necked people if there ever was one. And there is no doubt that they only exist because of God’s hand of providence. Has there ever been a people as persecuted as the Jew? I think not – not by a long shot.

    And I do recall hearing of oil below Israel – but NOT through the MSM, that’s for sure.


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